Ignite the spark of imagination as we journey into the magical world of children's literature. Join us as we explore the intricacies of writing, illustrating, and most importantly, inpire and empower kids as they fall in love with reading.
Guest: Noel Foy, Founder at Neuro Noel Consulting [@NeuroNoel]
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Episode Introduction
In this exciting episode of the Audio Signals Podcast, hosted by Marco Ciappelli, we step outside the tech world and delve into the creative realm of storytelling, child psychology, and the magic of children's literature. Today, Marco engages in a rich dialogue with the multi-talented children's author, neuroeducation consultant, and anxiety coach Noel Foy.
Throughout this enlightening conversation, Noel unravels the intent behind her fascinating stories for children and how they hold a deeper purpose beyond mere entertainment. This podcast will make you reconsider the role of storytelling, its historical roots, and its indispensable value in shaping our perceptions.
An anxiety coach and a mother herself, Noel expertly brings her wealth of knowledge into the narrative, particularly about the concept of executive function. She shares her unique insights on the necessity of cultivating cognitive, social, and emotional skills in children, which inevitably stimulates the listener's curiosity and provokes thought.
Marco then delves into Noel's latest book, "Are You a Bird Like Me?" to explore the impact of visuals on the learning process. In a compelling twist, this episode also showcases the collaborative dynamics between an author and an illustrator, a symbiotic relationship that breathes life into a narrative.
Perhaps one of the most captivating parts of the conversation revolves around the book's core theme, focusing on acceptance, diversity, and the power of collaboration. These topics, crucial for children, surprisingly resonate with adults, too, manifesting the universal appeal of children's literature.
As they dive deeper into the art of storytelling and its educational implications, the discussion also sheds light on an interesting concept - the anxiety inherent in uncertainty, which is as relevant to adults as it is to children. Furthermore, Noel's shared experiences about children's responses to adversity prompt reflection on the importance of teaching resilience.
So tune in to this thought-provoking episode of the Audio Signals Podcast with Marco Ciappelli and Noel Foy as they explore the transformative power of stories and the lessons they carry for all ages. You're encouraged to think, share, and subscribe to the podcast. Let's engage in this intriguing conversation together!
About the Book
Meet Sky, a hatchling who thinks her nest is the whole entire world—until she falls out of it!
As Sky sets out to find her parents, she makes unexpected friendships and discovers a fascinating world beyond her nest.
Join Sky and her new friends as they learn valuable lessons about courage, teamwork, diversity, perseverance and the amazing things that can happen by working together. This is a story that inspires kids and adults to believe in themselves and embrace the idea that differences aren’t dividers but ways to contribute toward a common goal.
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Resources
Are You a Bird Like Me? (Book): https://www.neuronoel.com/are-you-a-bird-like-me/
ABC Worry Free (Book): https://www.neuronoel.com/abc-worry-free/
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voiceover00:15
Welcome to the intersection of technology, cybersecurity, and society. Welcome to ITSPmagazine podcast radio. You're about to listen to a new episode of audio signals get ready to take a journey into the unknown, the unknown and everything in between. record that no specific point in time nor space. ITSPmagazine is co founders Marco Ciappelli. And Shawn Martin followed their passion and curiosity as they venture away from the intersection of technology, cybersecurity, and society to discover new stories worth being told. Knowledge is power. Now, more than ever
Marco Ciappelli01:03
we're on. Are you excited?
Noel Foy01:05
I am pumped.
Marco Ciappelli01:08
So, for everybody that is listening, I always need to make this distinction lately because we started just with audio I love of school radio, so I always pretend that's why I'm in black and white if you're watching video, but I'm always pretending we are audio on truth is we're also on video. So you already see that I have a guest. Obviously, no Out Boy ships with me. Hi, Noel, how are you doing today?
Noel Foy01:31
I'm doing wonderful, it's great to see you. Thanks for having me. Very good.
Marco Ciappelli01:35
And we're going to fool the people listening, we're going to tell them that we're sitting on a cafe in Italy somewhere, just sipping maybe in an ice Piazza in a small village on a hill. And we just met, you tell me what you do. And we just have this conversation how, how nice is to be able to imagine all of that.
Noel Foy01:59
Absolutely. I spent a lot of my day imagining.
Marco Ciappelli02:05
That's exactly why when they're
Noel Foy02:07
envisioning being in a cafe, or the countryside in Tuscany is not an hard ask at all.
Marco Ciappelli02:16
Plus your use. And that's, that's why I went there, you're used to imagine use your imagination to write to tell stories. And I get all excited when we talk about stories. But the story you tell, they have, I think, a purpose they're made with the intention to achieve something. And that something is exactly what we're going to talk about today on top of the kind of book that you write. So first of all, the story is about you. So tell us, all our audience, how who you are, what you do, and why you write books for kids.
Noel Foy02:59
Well, in addition to being a children's author, I am also a neuro education consultant, and an anxiety coach. I'm a mom of four sons and a grandmother. And what I do is I do one on one coaching in anxiety and executive function. And then I do big workshops for schools and organizations and corporations on anxiety, stress management, executive function, growth, mindset, resilience, those kinds of topics. And if folks aren't familiar with executive function, that's just a fancy term for a set of skills, where we use some cognitive, social and emotional skills, to get stuff done, to be productive. And to get started on a task to stick with it, when it's tough to make some adjustments when it's not going so well, to keep our emotions in check. And then to complete it, and maybe come back and reflect and see how it went.
Marco Ciappelli04:00
And isn't that something we all need, especially in our society, where we're pooled constantly our attention is you know, like, even now before starting the podcast, I got like, you know, one signal working another signal coming to me one from the one from the computer, and then you need to get stuff done. So
Noel Foy04:22
kind of like a pilot there, you're trying to navigate a lot of different things. Right?
Marco Ciappelli04:26
How how feeding one example I actually had the honor to talk to test pilot astronauts and they always talk about how you need to train yourself so that you can do without thinking you're so you react and you know what to do on the on the instant but in our daily life. We really need some support I think sometimes so what you do is incredible. Well,
Noel Foy04:51
thank you. It's really important skill for life, for relationships for doing well at school for doing well and work. settings as well. And so yeah, these are skills we need to teach kids. And some of them need help to learn these skills very explicitly. Some aren't born, let's say kids who have executive function challenges or who have ADHD, they may have more challenges getting started, or sticking with things when they're difficult or paying attention. So some kids, they can definitely build these skills, but sometimes they just need a little more support.
Marco Ciappelli05:29
And so here we go. And I think we got we'll go back into the psychology of all these, but let's go into the book that actually, you wrote two books. One, which is your latest is, are you a bird like me? And I'm gonna say, no, but maybe, I don't know. I feel like there is a trap in that question. And, and the function of these stories, because I always like to say, we're all made of stories, if you look back at how that's how knowledge has been transmitted from parents, to kids from the history of our society, and even before that, so we still need to use those is any form of books, videos, movies, podcast, anything, but I have a feeling that the book with a visual has a different meaning, to achieve what you're trying to do so?
Noel Foy06:29
Well, the brain loves visuals, right? So we really learned from our senses. And as a neuro education consultant, I spend a lot of time looking at the brain, and what can we do, to teach in ways that really appeals to the brain. And the brain loves to learn from its senses, and especially visual. So when we see something, we are going to remember it more than just hearing it. So picture books, illustrations are so powerful. And I'm so grateful to have the wonderful illustrators that have brought the stories to life for us. And the pictures are just, you know, really captivating for kids and for adults.
Marco Ciappelli07:16
That's amazing. And is it easy for you to transmit? Why do you envision to the person that is going to then translate it into a visual,
Noel Foy07:28
it's really a collaborative process, you'll have a vision in your mind of what you would like it to look like. Often, the illustrator might have some other suggestions, and you develop this sense of trust and collaboration. And sometimes you take some risks, and very often they work out really well. And you're just so glad that you pushed each other and challenged each other in those moments, because there were times that we went in a different direction with an illustration than we had initially planned. And I'm so glad we did.
Marco Ciappelli08:01
Yeah, it remind me the the traditional couple relation between the copywriter and the designer in an old school advertising, right? I mean, you have to, you have to merge the two vision together. But tell me tell me more about the book. I think the title is really intriguing. Because it's a question, are you a bird like me, and I kind of read the, the beginning of this the presentation where it's the story of this little bird that discovered an entire new world that didn't know it was there. So tell us about that story and the meaning of it, when you translate it to humans and kids? Where are they?
Noel Foy08:46
So the story is about this hatchling who falls out of his nest, and will release her nest, and she's unable to fly. So she sets out to find her parents. And along the way, she encounters these creatures who look very different from her. They have different kinds of skills and talents. And they prevent her and help her find her way back to her nest. And it really takes a collaborative effort and some problem solving for them to be able to accomplish that. And the book was really coming from a place of seeing differences, not necessarily as dividers, and wanting to promote more kind of cooperation, and problem solving together. And knowing that we all play a really important role in doing our part. And also knowing that sometimes we need to ask for help. And we need to get help from others sometimes to do amazing things. And when we do that, very often, we can just achieve so much more than we could have if we just did it for ourselves,
Marco Ciappelli10:02
and there is a ton of amazing lessons for for kids. nowadays. I mean, I want to go back in, in the history of storytelling and you know, we don't need to go to the beginning of, of the story. But people know, the Grimm Brothers and the classic stories that have been retold to us in, in movies like Disney, you know, all those movies are inspired by the many stories from the past made it maybe a little less strong, and a little less gross than that what they were originally. But the concept is always to have the moral of the story, there's always a thinking those story, a lesson that you, you take from all the adventures that these characters have. So in what you told me about your book, I see a lot of push towards diversity and inclusion, for example, and not be afraid of it. Yeah, kind of like what I'm reading through the lines here,
Noel Foy11:10
and it to try new things. And to be a little more, a little bit more comfortable with uncertainty, a lot of my work is working with folks who are anxious, and folks who are anxious don't like uncertainty. And I want my books to have some common threads. And while the ABC worryfree is more of a teaching tool, which we can talk about in a little bit. Both books have some common themes. And that would be facing fears would be one, perseverance is another courage, trying new things, accepting help from time to time. And when we do those things, we can really accomplish a lot. So yes, a lot of facing adversity and challenges. And from my experience, I'm a former classroom teacher and learning specialists. And from my experience going out into classrooms now as a consultant, over the last 10 to 15 years, I've noticed more and more students shutting down. And oops, I'm so so sorry. I'm not sure if my headphones just checked out. Can you still hear me? Okay? Yep, I can hear you. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it just made a funny noise. So I'm noticing more and more students zoning out, acting out, and spacing out and getting frustrated more easily. And a lot of teachers are reporting that they're seeing more behavior issues, and that kids, many kids are shutting down when they're faced with challenges and hard things. So I really want my books to send that message that you can do hard things, and that with some, let's say you gotta have a picture in your mind of what doing hard things looks like, what does it sound like? What does it feel like? And through the characters, I try to reveal how to do hard things and to push through, and that it feels pretty great when you do push through those challenges.
Marco Ciappelli13:21
Kansa remind me of the of a lie on a tin man and a scarecrow, that the face their own fear on a yellow brick road. Right,
Noel Foy13:32
right, and why we're scared or anxious, you know, we often have to do the things that scare us. Right? Right, step in on purpose, be intentional with it. And obviously, kids will need support to do this. And that is really you know, what will help us overcome a lot of that fear. And it will also give us a reference point that we have been able to push through some hard times. And you can kind of remind yourself, okay, I got on that bus, even though it was hard, or I took that test, even though I felt I was, you know, going to throw up like, whatever it is that scared or I got in the elevator, whatever it is, that that does make you anxious. The fact that you did it gives you a reference point, and that helps build some resilience. And I did want to mention this book, I did co write with my son and when you were talking about Los Angeles earlier in our discussion, and you were talking about Wizard of Oz, my son apps well he lived in LA for a while and he has been incredible support. He's he has a screenwriting background. And when we write the stories, he actually follows like a screenwriting model and he loves the Wizard of Oz. So those kinds of characters I'm sure were in his mind too, as as we were working on Are you are like me,
Marco Ciappelli15:01
that's, that's really cool. I mean, there is always an inspiration from some other person an artist's job, which doesn't mean you're copying, but that's how we grew up. That's how we form ourselves. So it's very natural. And I think in the common knowledge, there's definitely come out, up, I have a question for you that, well, I have many, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with this because you teach to adults, and you teach to kids. And I, I'm part of a mentor group, as a as a side thing as a volunteer. And we always talk about when you are a mentor, you're also been, you're also a mentee, like your your, it goes two ways. That's my point. And there is parallel mentorship, where you do it between other mentors. So my point is, you're always learning. And I feel like when, if a parent read this book to his kids, or as part of the conversation, I feel like there is a lot to learn, by adults, by embracing these stories, so is there like a point where everything kind of merge and is not just for kids anymore?
Noel Foy16:17
Well, I honestly feel kids books are a great and approachable way to talk about difficult topics, or talk about complex concepts. So I see kids books as being something that I write for kids and adults, I write them for myself, I have an anxiety disorder. And I could have used a book like ABC worryfree, when I was a kid, I write these for kids who are anxious. Now I write them for their parents, I write them for the teachers who have these kids in classrooms, I write them for business, you know, managers, I work with corporations as well. And they're dealing with some anxious adults. So I am writing it with all those people in mind, I even write these for counselors, because these can be used with a counselor with a one on one, but they could use be used in a classroom as well. I wrote these with story structure in mind. So that if like, let's say an English language arts teacher wants to use this. The stories they all follow, you know, story structure. And there's some great comprehension questions and talking points. So I try to do a lot of things with these stories. And ABC worryfree, for example, has a page in the back of the book that has tips for parents, and educators. And there's a lot of do's and don'ts in there of things to say and not say are things to do or not do with anxious kids. And if we're not specifically trained in anxiety, we often do things in a loving, caring way that actually can make the anxiety worse. And it's not done intentionally. It's just we think that's the kind thing to do. And it can actually feed the anxiety. So just a quick example would be let's say, I didn't want to get on the school bus. And my mother said, Okay, no, well, I'm going to drive you to school every day. That seems like a loving caring thing, because I might be having a meltdown, at the bus stop and crying. And I will have a short term decrease in anxiety in that situation, because I just dodged a bullet, I don't have to get on the bus. Now the next day comes along, if I don't get on the bus, again, I don't start to build that skill of facing that challenge, I don't really have a coping skill of how to manage that situation. And that if my mom takes me to school every day in the car, it's gonna in the long term, when I have to face a situation like that, it's going to increase my anxiety instead of decreasing it. So those are some things that I like to really help parents and teachers understand. You know, sometimes we might say, Oh, you don't have to take the test. And then every time a child has a test, they feel like they can't take the test. We have to give them some support, and some coping skills so that they can face that challenge. One thing I'd really like to try to teach kids and their parents is that you can feel a little nervous and move forward at the same time. And a little stress can be good. We don't want too much, right, that can hijack our thinking brain, a little stress can actually increase our alertness, our focus our performance, so kind of keeping it in the sweet spot is is the challenge.
Marco Ciappelli19:46
I love that because I almost feel like if you have to go on a stage and talk or if you have to face a meeting if you have to even get on a podcast or whatever. I feel like if you don't if You're not a little bit nervous, you're not doing a right. I don't know, maybe you're not excited enough, maybe you're not thinking that it's important. I mean, I agree. I mean, it's that balance. And avoiding that certainly is not the lesson that you want to, then you want to give, I mean, you have to get out of your nest, eventually. To go back to Tibet, to the bat to sky, the character. Do you think that things are worse now in terms of feeling lost kids not wanting to face their fears than what it used to be before social media and, you know, I like to talk technology and psychology, so I'm sorry, I have to go there. But every, every generation, I've always read about it or hear it from grandfathers, you know, things are not like they used to be, it was so much easier, so much better before. Um, I know, it's just different. But I can see that the difference today is much bigger than the difference maybe between my parents and my grandparents, I mean, the world has really changed a lot. So I'm wondering, from your perspective, if is, if it's just an excuse, or is really complicating things for, for kids,
Noel Foy21:27
I think that the pace at which technology has changed, is definitely playing a role. And when you take that into account with having to make adjustments to that pace, and you know, we're trying something new, you know, let's say social media, we're not quite sure how that's going to impact let's just focus on young kids right now or teens. And it's kind of like an experiment in a way. And we now know that, you know, the devices are kind of designed to be addictive, and that the likes are something people enjoy getting, it gives them that little dopamine boost, even if the like might be for something that's inappropriate. So then that can kind of send a mixed message to that child, or teenager. And we know that kids are spending a lot more time in front of screens. And I'm not saying technology is bad by any stretch, it's just how we use it, how often we use it, we want kids to be moving and outside and having a lot of real face to face connections to certainly the pandemic put some gasoline on the fire. Anxiety was on the rise prior to the pandemic. And the kids who did pretty well through the pandemic had support it, you know, most of them had some kind of coping skills, and had support along the way the kids that have not done as well. And the families who haven't done as well. Many of them did not have the support or the coping skills in place, and then the pandemic really put gasoline on the fire. So I do, I can say that I have seen an increase, and we have the stats to back it up. There's definitely an increase in anxiety and depression. And I definitely see it when I go out to schools in the behaviors of the students and the feedback I get from teachers and counselors just to get to see a counselor there's there could be like a long waiting list to get in. So I have definitely seen changes over the years, especially the last 1010 to 12
Marco Ciappelli23:52
I mean, I think one of the reasons that I can say that much more complicated with kids obviously their their understanding of the difference between facing someone zoom or another online platform as we are conversating. Now I mean for me, maybe I'm used to it, but you know, yes, we're missing that physical interaction, if any, if we're pretending to be in a cafe and a cafe in Italy, but I think for a kid to distinguish between what is real and what is virtual what is analog and what is digital, that's some gap that maybe only experience can really provide so thinking like if you go out and play soccer with your friends or RNA in the field you face those moment face to face well in when you're online, you may have problems but you're still protected physically from from arm from the environment. So I don't know if I'm going to psychological here but you know, kind of thinking like that and trying to explain to a kid I guess.
Noel Foy24:59
Right and I Think just developmentally wise, that the with brain development, you know, say with the social media, that the kids might not have a complete understanding about how to use it in ways that's healthy, you know, what are you looking at? What are you? Where are you spending your time? And what what might you have been doing otherwise, if you weren't doing this, maybe you would have been out, taking a bike ride or going fishing with some friends instead of connecting in this way. And like I said, it's not all bad. I think we just have to really be aware of what kids are doing with it, how often, and making sure that they are getting those face to face connections, and that they're getting out and getting exercise and doing other things, in addition to the screens, because so much of their day in school, and then their homework is on screens to begin with. And then you add video games and social media and the phone. It's a lot.
Marco Ciappelli26:01
Yeah, and I think is good if you fall off the bike, and you scratch yourself. And you know, it's not that bad. Right? You could get back on it again.
Noel Foy26:10
That's right. Yeah. And a lot of teenagers, this is kind of an interesting, I feel, haven't had the same desire to drive. There's been more teenagers that are resisting getting their license, where I don't know how you felt Margo. I was counting down the days to get that. And that was like a ticket to freedom. You know, I had my bike. I love that. That was another ticket to freedom. The car was a whole nother level. So that's another thing I you know, I think there's maybe some anxiety connected to that too. And perhaps we've, you know, we perhaps have been driving kids a lot more to that than say, when I was a kid, I would probably just hop on my bike. And now parents are driving their kids to school or driving to a friend's house or sports, what have you. So, perhaps, we've been doing so much of the driving that the kids have become accustomed, and perhaps there's some kids feeling more anxious, that getting into a car could feel like a threatening kind of situation for them. And they're, they're holding off.
Marco Ciappelli27:28
No, I heard stories, even on Psychology Today about you know, kind of like, pampering too much. Right, you know, to kind of throw kids out there certain limit, but you know, they face the world before. I mean, we can keep talking about this, but I want to go back to the book and the storytelling because can a story and a book, I mean, a good movie, create that kind of experience that even if there's no real can feel some of these gaps. So the let's talk about the real power of storytelling here compared with, you know, being online, but can they good? The right story? I'm not gonna say substitute reality, no meaning that at all, but can it help to project the kids into into reality? I mean, can you be felt real?
Noel Foy28:27
I like to think so. When I go into classrooms, and I see kids, let's say take, are you a bird like me? And I read the book, and then I see their faces when they look at the pictures. And I hear them giggling when I talk about not so not so is one of the characters he's such he's a squirrel.
Marco Ciappelli28:51
Not so. Yeah, I have squirrels in the garden here. And they are definitely not so they're driving you nuts. And they are not so
Noel Foy29:00
yeah. So when I just say his name, it's just so fun to I love that. And they really, really identify with these characters. And I feel like I was saying earlier, I tend to write about anxiety or facing challenges. And I want to be able to start those conversations and I feel these books are a way for us to start doing that. As well as problem solving. I really like to promote problem solving in kids. And I feel like these books could be a great way before you start a project. Let's talk about how these characters work together to reach a goal. And so I think it helps when kids have a picture in their mind. Well, what does it look like to have a challenge and what challenges do they face? What did it sound like? What did they say to themselves? When things got hard? What did it feel like? And And how did they resolve things. And so I think to have some models can be helpful, even if they're fictional characters, I find them to be very relatable. And I feel they're inspiring as well. Because the kids, I think, get a sense of hope that there's a, there's a path forward, there's a way that I can approach the challenge. And maybe I can ask for help, maybe I can talk to a friend, maybe I can collaborate, maybe I need to work a little harder myself, we can pick up some clues from the characters, and try to transfer some of those traits into our life as well. So I think they make for great discussions about problem solving and facing fears, what scares you? And what strategies do you have in your toolbox that helps you push through challenging times? Yeah, and
Marco Ciappelli30:59
also to do it with animals that are not the same species, as you are as human, we are all different, and we all should work together. And because resolving problem is definitely, you know, easier, if you have more brains to write, to think together. So that's a big lesson there as well. How did how do you translate this when you do your consulting, and out to sea level? Business Professional? I'm a big fan of metaphors, because metaphors are stories and storytelling can work with everyone. But of course, I'm guessing you're not going there with a little bird that fell off the mast, or do you?
Noel Foy31:46
Well, ABC worryfree. The first book is more of a teaching tool. And that book is about this little boy who gets stung by a bee. And then he decides he's never going to go outside again. So when people get anxious, they tend to show certain patterns, like one is avoidance. Why one is they go to catastrophic thinking. Another is they might get very inflexible or rigid. They get very much in their head. And they sometimes think that change can't happen, right? I'm always going to be this way. So I can use the metaphor of the bee's nest with, you know, with adults, that will What's your bee's nest? Right, we all have something that we might be afraid of, or something that's getting in our way. There might be a challenge or obstacle, what's your bee's nest. So that's something that's very transferable. And in that particular book, I wanted to have a transferable actionable strategy. So there's a strategy the character learns, called the ABC trick. And it has three steps, except how you feel free, slow and deep. And change your thinking. And that's a strategy that you can use with kids and adults. I've used it with kids as young as four. And I, my oldest student that I work with right now is probably 66. Somewhere around there. But it's applicable to kids and adults.
Marco Ciappelli33:26
It's a big lesson there. I mean, you know, the we're still kids at heart. We're driven by maybe the same fear, the same excitement, we just want to hide it. I don't know, you know, why not? Why not to be kids?
Noel Foy33:42
Like you were saying earlier, I know that there's times where the student becomes the teacher, and the teacher becomes the student. And I love being a lifelong learner. And I want to model to my own kids to my granddaughter, and to the kids and the adults I work with. As somebody who has an anxiety disorder, who has performance fear. I'm going to get out here and I'm going to do this. And I want to give you hope that you can do it too.
Marco Ciappelli34:11
That's a great message to get towards the end of this. But before we get there and ask you the last question, because I love to time travel, often with artificial intelligence and technology and dystopia Utopia scenarios. In your case, I'm not going to put you in that in that corner. But I'm gonna ask you if you have another book, in your, in your head, and is there a plan there for something new?
Noel Foy34:39
Yes. So the next book is another book that is going to deal with facing fears, overcoming obstacles, persevering, having that courage to get through something difficult, and I am also writing that with my son, Nicholas and The title we have planned right now is jumping jack. And it's about a little boy who loves to jump, jumps everywhere, off everything, until there's one day where he has to jump, not going to give you too much detail yet. And all this time, he's been wearing his superhero costume underneath his full clothes. And he's under the belief that if he wears that he could do the jumping. But if he doesn't wear that, that not able to do it. So there's comes a day where he doesn't have the shirt on and needs to make this big jump, and he, he feels he can't do it. And then he learns a little problem solving. And he figures out how to push push through that. So that's, that's the cue.
Marco Ciappelli35:54
I like it. And I see a pattern and they're in something happen. And then Then what else? What can you do? Well, how you overcome that? I mean, you have to be staying in the first one. You have. You have fallen off the nest on the second and now you have you know, a jumping, jumping Jack Flash issue there. Yeah, I love it. Well, listen, I really enjoyed this conversation and and we can go in a lot of different direction because of course, I feel again, it's a book. And it's it's a topic that it literally is for everyone, either your your parents or a teacher, you're a kid in you are somebody that manage a team leader. I mean, it's not about it's about empathy is about understanding and maybe find a way to communicate with different people. Right, adopt a story to get through, I guess.
Noel Foy36:51
Yes, yes. And, and combining our unique talents together to produce something wonderful, I think is a great lesson. And there's a little quote I put at the back of the book. Or I say, sometimes we need others to take us under their wings so we can spread our own. I was that kid that even though I was an anxious kid, I didn't accept help very well. And some kids think of that as a weakness. And I wanted folks to also know like why, while we all have to do our part, and really take ownership of our responsibilities. There are some times we need a little help from others too. And that, that not be looked at as a weakness.
Marco Ciappelli37:37
That's a perfect message to end our conversation and leave a table with the coffee already finished and go for a walk and and think about still was outstanding. There you go. There you go. That's a good idea. But less than a lot of things to think about not just for me that I truly enjoy this conversation. But also, I hope for our audience. My main goal I like to remember and remind that is that we're not trying to give answers I never try i i try to let you finish this conversation and with more questions than when you started to listen to a podcast because then you're really thinking and from thinking can can come action as well. And I think there's a lot to think about from this conversation. So now, it was a pleasure to have you on and will there'll be notes and links to your website, to your book to your social media, everything that you share with us. It will be in the podcast notes. And so I invite everybody to stay tuned. Subscribe, share, share this. This is a great story to share with your family and friends and other people around you. And stay tuned and we'll catch you next time. No, thank you again,
Noel Foy39:01
so much. I love that a lot of fun.
Marco Ciappelli39:03
Cool, right. Bye bye everybody.
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