Explore the transformative power of storytelling and self-discovery with executive leadership coach and author, Hortense Le Gentil, in this enlightening episode of the Audio Signals Podcast.
Guest: Hortense le Gentil, Author of The Unlocked Leader
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Website | https://www.hortenselegentil.com/
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Episode Introduction
In a recent episode of the Audio Signals Podcast, host Marco Ciappelli sat down with renowned executive leadership coach and author, Hortense Le Gentil, to explore the transformative power of storytelling and self-discovery. The conversation dives deep into the importance of recognizing and embracing our own narratives to unlock our true potential and lead with empathy in both personal and professional life.
Hortense Le Gentil, with her impressive background in leadership coaching and personal development, shared poignant insights into how everyone can rewrite their own stories to break free from limiting beliefs and societal expectations. Through her book, "The Unlocked Leader," she offers a guide to identify and challenge mind traps, shift perspectives, and build a strong sense of self-awareness to navigate through life's challenges.
One of the key takeaways from the discussion was the idea that we all have a unique story to tell and that by embracing our authenticity and vulnerability, we can connect more deeply with others and foster a culture of innovation and success. Hortense emphasized the importance of listening to our inner voice, challenging societal norms, and reframing our narratives to align with our true selves.
The conversation also touched upon real-life examples of individuals like Bill George, who underwent a profound transformation by breaking free from external expectations and embracing his authentic self. Through self-reflection and courage, he discovered his true calling and found fulfillment in his leadership journey.
As Marco and Hortense explored the complexities of human nature and the power of narrative in shaping our identities, a clear message emerged – by understanding and rewriting our stories, we can redefine our paths, connect with others on a deeper level, and lead with authenticity and empathy.
In a world that often emphasizes external achievements and conformity, Hortense Le Gentil's message resonates strongly – we all have the power to be the authors of our own lives, to embrace our unique narratives, and to lead with compassion and purpose.
"The Unlocked Leader" serves as a beacon for those looking to embark on a journey of self-discovery, challenging the status quo, and unlocking their true potential. Hortense's profound wisdom and practical guidance offer a roadmap for individuals to find their voice, lead with empathy, and shine their light in the world.
Hortense Le Gentil's empowering insights in the Audio Signals Podcast remind us of the transformative power of storytelling and self-discovery. By rewriting our narratives, embracing authenticity, and leading with empathy, we can create a more inclusive and compassionate world where everyone's story is valued and heard.
About the Book
The most effective leaders are “human leaders:” leading with empathy, vulnerability, and authenticity. But many still adhere to the outdated myth that leaders must be “superhero leaders: infallible, unflappable, and fearless." Tragically, their innate ability to inspire remains locked within, blunting their impact.
In The Unlocked Leader veteran executive leadership coach Hortense le Gentil combines real life stories, rigorous research, and practical tools to explain how superhero leaders can become effective human leaders. You’ll discover:
· How to identify the mental obstacles that stand between you and leadership authenticity, and sap your energy and impact - your mindtraps.
· How to confront your fears and escape those traps by operating a mindshift.
· Practical strategies to better connect with yourself and others - a mindbuild.
The journey from superhero leader to human leader not only transforms the lives of leaders themselves - both at work and beyond. It also makes a profound and lasting difference in the lives of people around them and the organizations they lead. This is how human leaders make an impact and shine their light in the world: by changing the way they connect with themselves and other people, they start a chain reaction that reverberates throughout their organizations and beyond them, because we are all part of interconnected networks of human relationships.
An indispensable leadership manual for people who wish to lead not just with their heads, but with their heart and soul as well, The Unlocked Leader belongs on the bookshelves of leaders and aspiring leaders at all levels looking for a fresh new perspective on effective, powerful leadership in service of something bigger than themselves.
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The Unlocked Leader: Dare to Free Your Own Voice, Lead with Empathy, and Shine Your Light in the World: https://www.hortenselegentil.com/theunlockedleader
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Unleashing the Power of Storytelling and Self-Discovery | Book: The Unlocked Leader | A conversation with author Hortense Le Gentil | Audio Signals Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
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[00:00:00] Marco Ciappelli: Well, hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Audio Signals with me, Marco Ciappelli. And today we're going to bring a little flavor of Europe with me being Italian and my guest being French. We're going to get to who that person is. If you're watching the video, you already see she's right there.
And if you're listening, I'll give her the words in a couple of seconds. We're going to talk, as usual, about storytelling. Storytellers and stories. And sometimes it is about fictional character and books and movies and music and everything is a story. In this case, we talk about leadership where in the business world, or maybe even in the everyday life, we, we all are somehow leading something, maybe even leading ourself, you know, a team of one, but I think we need to be
always Understanding that we are sharing stories about ourself I guess either we know it or not we do it consciously or not. We are sharing stories And in this case leadership, I feel you know that leaders Need to share the right story to create the right culture and to Lead with success and whatever success means and we will define that as well.
I believe with my guest today Or tense legend teal and probably Italianized the last name, but it's French. I hope I did okay. Probably not too good, but why don't you tell me how you pronounce the last name and, uh, and who you are and, uh, we'll go from there to talk about your book.
[00:01:41] Hortense Le Gentil: I'm delighted to be here.
So thank you. And, uh, okay. I would go with, you did a great job. No, no, no, no. You did a great job. So, uh, my name in French is Hortense le gentil. Ah, sounds so much better. This is so hard. It's much better in Italian because you sing, you, I don't know. It's just beautiful. I use my hand. Yeah, I do the same, so.
[00:02:09] Marco Ciappelli: There you go, it's a European thing.
[00:02:12] Hortense Le Gentil: Yeah, I know, I know, I know. So yeah, I'm delighted to be here and um, So a little bit of myself. I was of course, uh, born and raised in France, as you can see, uh, with my accent. And, uh, I moved to New York five years ago. And, uh, so what happened? Uh, I took the scenic roads to arrive here.
I had a lot of lives and a lot of passions. So the first one was, uh, was about horses. I was a horse rider and a short jumper. And it was all my life. It was all my love, my life, my friends, anything. And, um, I, in fact, I learned a lot at that time about leadership. I didn't know. I didn't realize it just after that you can connect the dots and understand.
Um, so it was back there in France. Uh, my second passion was about America. The American dream. Where it's coming from, I cannot tell you, but anyway, it was like that. Then I came to, I went to Boston and I studied, uh, I studied both in Boston at Northeastern University and, uh, I took marketing and both in Paris and in Boston.
Then, uh, I came back to Paris. I came back to France and I worked for large, uh, large corporations in communication for a decade and Until the time I felt it was not, you know, it was not exactly what I wanted to do. What I wanted to do is to be an entrepreneur. So I became an entrepreneur and I started from, uh, from scratch and a company of, uh, you know, uh, about, you know, recycling steel industry.
So nothing to do with what I did before, but anyway. It's a long story. I'm not going to go there, but I learned a lot. Well, we're here to, for stories, so. Okay. So, okay. So, um. It's about you. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, the story here was, um, I was, uh, so I was there in my life around my forties and, uh, I re you know, my dream was to be an entrepreneur and I, for many reasons I didn't do it.
And then, uh, when I decided to quit everything, To change my life. I will come back to that later. Uh, I will, um, of course, uh, I had one idea. So my first idea was, you know, to, uh, manage horses, polo, uh, polo team for, uh, you know, for companies, but it was just before the crisis. Uh, in, uh, 20, uh, 28 and I felt like, ha, ha, this is not the right idea.
So anyway, but you know, all along the way I met a lot of people and I met people interested in, in, in what I wanted to do. And then I met this person who, uh, made me discover, uh, this still. Recycling industry I didn't know anything about, but I connected the dots between, wow, this is an amazing world where nobody understand anything and there is no communication.
And then how can we, you know, create, you know, something to innovate, to aid, you know, to help those people. to, uh, to communicate with, you know, the outside world. So I did that for a decade with a partner who was completely the opposite of me. So it was great because this is what I, we needed. And, um, and I learned a lot and, uh, it was hard.
Sometimes I can tell you, Marco, sometimes it was very hard. Uh, but it was, It was great. And after a decade, I think I have something with a decade. After a decade, I, I felt like, okay, so now I understood, uh, not, not understood, but it was not that fun anymore because, you know, the innovations, things like that.
No, it was more about politics and things like that. I don't like that too much. Um, and a friend of mine came to me and told me, you know, of those. I have a friend with an entrepreneur like you, and he needs your help. Could you, could you help him? I said, of course. And he told me, and by the way, you should be a coach because you just love, you know, helping others.
And you're good at that. Just look at him, Marco. I said, okay, are you crazy? I'm not going to be a coach, but yes, of course, I'm going to help your, your friends. But at that time I said, you know, it was like he, he put a little seeds and in my brain. And I said, okay, let's try it. So I, I put that hat on me and, uh, and of course, and, uh, I met this, this person.
And this is when, uh, everything made sense in my life. It was like a puzzle. Everything made, made sense. It was like everything I've been through in my life led me to that moment. What I learned in my life was to help others, was to help this person, But it was physically, I, I felt it. I felt this energy. I felt connected and I felt, wow.
And then, because all of us, you know, we, we, we tell ourselves plenty of stories, right? Is it, okay, should I do that? Should I not do that? No, no, no. Why it happened to me? You know, why always me? Why should I change, you know, every decade? Why, why, why, why, why? And at one point we understand, and then it's like, oh God.
This is beautiful. And so I felt my calling there. And what I learned in my life was, if I do my way, it's going to work. At least, you know, the door going to open if it's for me. If it's not for me, The doors are not going to open and this is fine. You know, I will do, I will, I will, uh, do something else. And then, so I just said this then and there that I decided, okay, so let's try.
So for three years, I had two jobs. It was a lot. And, uh, so I w I was, um, a coach, uh, and, and I, I, I, and I still had my, uh, my company. And then when I, when I was a coach, After three months, this person, uh, asked me, you know, bring me other people and people, I didn't, I didn't do anything. And then at one point I said, okay, so now I'm going to stop, you know, the other company.
Uh, so I sold, uh, I sold the company and, um, and I continue my journey as a coach. I met Marshall Goldsmith, uh, who is a pope of leadership. I don't know if you know him. And he invited me to be part of his, uh, AMG 100. So it means, you know, the, the person that he, he wanted to, he wanted to give back. He still want to.
give back and he teach, uh, he taught us, you know, what he learned. And, uh, he told me that I had to work, uh, to write a book. So my first book was Aligned, connecting your true self with the leader you're meant to be. So you can imagine, uh, Marco as a French woman living in Paris. It's where coaching is just under the water, just a shadow.
You don't talk about it. It was not that easy. Um, I wrote it in English and then I moved to New York and, uh, and, uh, I wrote the second book, uh, that it was released, uh, in September, The Unlocked Leader, uh, The Unlocked Leader, Dare to Free Your Own Voice, Lead with Empathy. and shine your light in the world, because this is my passion.
This is what I'm doing. So now I am an executive leadership coach and I coach, uh, CEO and senior executives on their journey from being a hero leader, what I call a hero leader, to being human leader. And, um, I'm a speaker, I'm author, and I try my best to, um,
[00:10:41] Marco Ciappelli: And that's a great story. I love it. I mean, look, I have to say that we could probably have the entire episode talking about this.
I've seen a lot of myself in what you just said, you know, the many hearts, many lives. Um, moved to the United States myself and, and a lot of things. And I changed. I've been in marketing for most of my time. And then now then I, you know, I have this podcast publication. We talk about cybersecurity, which is not really much about storytelling when I started that with my partner.
But then we realized that it is actually, even if it's a very technical industry, it is about telling story. Why do we do this? Forget the technology. It's the meaning in our society, the meaning that we bring to people in this era of the internet and so on. So what I'm saying is you're always rediscovering something and I love what you said that if you look back, maybe everything you've done brought you to be what you're doing now, right?
But it's finding that call. That is probably the tough, the tough part, right? Yes. Is that what you, is that what you teach in a way?
[00:11:53] Hortense Le Gentil: Uh, yes, in a way, because what I do, what I do is, um, so the, the book found the last book, but my work is about how to free yourself in fact. So how to free yourself from your mind traps that orders back from being human leader.
Or from, from being, you know, the person, uh, you want to be, because I consider that everyone is a leader because that's at the minimum, you're a leader of your life. And then talking about stories and about, about mind traps. So the mind trap that there, there are those, you know, stories, those beliefs, those expectations that maybe help you until now, because we are, you know, we are a storyteller.
This is how we communicate, as you say. This is how we communicate. But we also are, you know, in our brain, we are also, um, storyteller. And then at one point, the stories that you're telling yourself, it's all, it's all you is holding you back from moving forward. And it becomes a trap, a mind traps. So the good news is because there are stories, we can rewrite the story, but we need to, we need to, to stop and to be aware of it.
And this is, and this is what, what, what I do is work, working on, on those mind traps and telling. Okay, where are you trapped? What what is on your on your way in your way of from moving forward and And also you can feel it because it's when you feel not satisfied You can feel angry you can feel you know arrogant or something like that You're not sure of yourself or you feel like I want to do more and you you know, and you and you
[00:13:48] Marco Ciappelli: Can I ask you something?
When you talk about mind traps, um, it's kind of like you, you, you make yourself believe other people want you to believe, right? Like the expectation that society, the culture, Oh, you're a leader, you need to be, you need to be You know, authoritative, you need to be, have a certain style, otherwise they're going to walk all over you.
But you talk about humanity here, you talk about freeing yourself and leading with, with empathy. So do you think things are changing nowadays, like in the past few years that people are more open to this? being human, which is funny to think that we were not human before.
[00:14:36] Hortense Le Gentil: Yes, this is, yeah, this is funny.
Um, but yes, to answer your questions, yes, because the world has changed and expectation has changed. And now we need to be ready to expect, uh, the unexpected, to be fast, to be, you know, To go fast, to change fast, to be agile. And we don't have all the answers. That's a good, you know, the good news. Well, not good news, but, but anyway, we never had all the answers.
It's a lure. It's, it's not true. We cannot, we cannot have all the answers. So, so the lead, so. Leaders know that they have to change, but it is very scary because when we talk about, you know, a lot have been said about why we should lead with empathy, but less when it comes to the how, they don't know how to do it.
And you need so much courage to go in this journey. You need to be courageous. This is, this is, this is very hard. And if I come back, you know, to those, to those mind traps we were talking about before, it happened to everyone at any moment. And it happened to me, for example. And it happened to me, you know, years ago, I felt completely locked in my life, personally and professionally.
And I was lost. I was lost, really lost. And I didn't know what to do. And outside everything seems good. Well, it was good. But, of course, Everything went south and I went stuck in bed for four months because I was, I was sick. I was very sick because the stories in my, you know, in my brain was telling me, no, you cannot do that.
You cannot do that. Part of me knew that I had to do and the other part, no, no, no, no, you cannot do that. And then I had a dream
and my grandmother, that she passed away at that time already, she came back in my, in my dream. She came to see me and she told me, Arthurs, you have to find the Bath of Roses. I said, what are you telling me? What is that? And, uh, so I said, okay, okay, okay, okay. Where is it? And, uh, and she told me, She just smiled at me, Marco.
And she just told me, you know where it is. And she disappeared. Gosh, you know, I, I, you know, I woke up, I was absolutely furious. I said, oh my goodness, she didn't give me the answer. No, I don't know where it is. And then there will be later when I will understand that what she meant was so, so, so important talking about, you know, the voices and stories, what she meant.
was that I had to listen to my inner voice, not the voices outside, you know, the social voices, parent, education, authority, whatever you want. That said, no, you cannot divorce. No, you cannot be an entrepreneur. No, you cannot do that. No, you cannot do that. I was dying. And then the day, the day I started to listen to my inner voice, you need, you need courage again, because that's not that easy.
Uh, I started to, uh, uh, to free myself and I started to, um, my, my journey from, to, to become who I, I had to become, to become to where I am today. And this is what I do with everyone. And it happened to everyone and it happened also. And so those As we see where they're coming from, they can come from, uh, trauma that are not overcome.
Or they, or they can, what is that? Or they, or they can come from, um, and, and voices as we say, as we just saw. And then, another story. Uh, so years ago, there were, uh, uh, senior executive, uh, was expected to be CEO of the, um, of his company. So in order to do that, uh, he has to, uh, be in front of, um, uh, the board and, and talk, uh, of course, and, um, uh, because they were responsible of the process.
And then out of the blue, Marco, out of the blue, he completely changed his behavior and he became very talkative and he didn't listen. He didn't. It was horrible. So, of course, what happened? He didn't get the job. And he came to me and he said, I absolutely don't know what happened. I don't know. And I said, okay, let's figure out.
Then we revisited his life. And he remembered that years ago, he was a student. He had to pass an exam. In order to pass this exam, he has to be in front of a panel of teachers. And one of the teachers didn't let him talk. He was asking questions all the time. He was cutting him off all the time. And then imagine this poor, uh, A student, very well prepared, wanted, you know, to express himself and he couldn't.
So it was shocked. It was a trauma. And then this same teacher, very, very nice teacher said, you know, young guy. I don't know what you're going to do in life, but I can promise you something. You will never be a CEO because all your emotions and your nerves are written on your face. And then this young guy left school, you know, with a trauma and thinking that, okay, he doesn't have to, uh, to show emotions and he will never be a CEO by the way, but he forgot it was in his unconscious.
Until the time, the first time that he had to face this prophecy, let's say. And then, unconsciously, he sort of reacted. So he talked, talked, talked to be sure, you know, that nobody's going to cut him half. But it was not the right moment and the right time. So that story's, you know, the voices of this, this teacher was still there.
Then we needed to, you know, replace the story and think about, okay, challenge this, those voices and rewrite the story. So this is what we did. So with, yeah.
[00:21:40] Marco Ciappelli: Well, it, it definitely make you think, I, I think it it, what you do, it's almost, uh, introspective discovery, right? So you Mm-Hmm. look, you look back, you're like, are you doing really what you're motivating to do?
And, and who knows? I mean. There is so many things that you could have done in life and maybe you never had a chance. Like, I don't know, maybe you could be a great golfer, but you never had a chance to play golf, but that's okay. We can't try everything, but sometimes there are certain things that the omens like in, in the alchemist and the book that, you know, they should probably listen.
You should probably watch for those signs and, and, and figure out what does that mean. Is that leading you to your grandmother coming to your dreams and tell you, Hey, it's right there. Just look at it. Right. Pay attention.
[00:22:31] Hortense Le Gentil: Pay attention. No, this is exactly that. Because, um, and the clue, the really, you know, the, yeah, the clues are you, we feel it right.
When we know that. Okay, we have to change something. And it's a journey. It's not a destination. So anyway, you can look at my life, you know, I tried so many things, one, two, three, four, and then I just arrived there. So, and What is important is to be sure that you write your own story, that you are the author of your own story.
And you don't write a story that your parents want you to write, your friend, your partner, your family, whatever, whoever it is. And very often, this is what we do. And even in leadership, leadership, okay, we think, okay, we should act like that. A leader doesn't show emotion. What are you talking about? Yes, you do.
Okay. How can I connect with people? I'm afraid. I'm afraid I'm going to fail. You know, it's going to be chaos here. No, because people, they want to connect with you. So they want to know you. And it's going to make the difference because if you share your story, it's The person, you know, feel secure and share their story too.
And then we can talk and then they feel seen important and then you can feel, you can understand them and you can create, you can innovate and you can change the culture. And you can have a culture of all together, we are going to innovate to where we're going to, um, to be successful. You know, you're the captain of the, of the, uh, of, of the ship and you cannot do it by yourself.
And the only way to connect, this is the way, this is how we connect all together. by story, as you said before.
[00:24:32] Marco Ciappelli: So when you work with someone, obviously you're, you're there, you're with them, you're, you're guiding them. Of course, you can do that with every single person and somebody is listening right now.
Of course, that's why we, we write books so that we can help more people and we can maybe, you know, it's not exactly the same thing, but you're, what, what, where I'm going with this is a lot of people now listening to this. They're probably going to be Yeah, that's me. I mean, in a way or another, I think everybody is going to see themselves at least in certain moment of their life in a situation like that.
So when they, when they read your book, is there like a methodology? Is there like a step by step process that you're explaining people, guiding people to, to try to go over that, what they can find in the book?
[00:25:25] Hortense Le Gentil: Yes, it's a guide. In fact, you know, the unlock leader is a guide, uh, in the guide from mind traps.
So I explained where it's coming from their exercise to mind shift. So the mind shift is how you change. So you challenge your beliefs. So for example, if I go back fast to the, you know, the last story, uh, you asked three questions, very powerful questions. Is it true? Is it true that I cannot be a CEO? Is it relevant?
Is it helpful today? Do you ask your, you ask those questions? If the answer is no, no, no, you let go and then you rewrite your story. So there are three parts. So mind trap, mind shift, how you change your mind, and mind built. So how, so who am I? So now we can talk. We don't have any more, you know, uh, cars in the middle of the living room.
Okay, so we can, we can talk. So let's talk. And what do you want to say? How you want to show up? So, yeah, so the, the book is that. And you can find the book everywhere, um, on the website and, uh, every, um, book, bookstores and, um, almost everywhere, I think. And I have a website or so. Yeah, of course.
[00:26:39] Marco Ciappelli: There'll be, there'll be all the links and everything in the, in the notes here to get in touch with you, your website and everything.
One more question. Um, cause when I was reading the summary of your book, you had, you name few business people, leaders from popular culture, you even include, you know, Ted Lasso, which is a show that. That I love, um, but also Steve job, Ralph Lauren, Mary Kondo. Can you give me like a couple of example of maybe these people, there was a moment they made it.
this mind shift, they freed himself and became who they were supposed to be.
[00:27:20] Hortense Le Gentil: So I can, , maybe the story of, um, of Bill George is, is so one, um, that would choose for that case. It's, you know, because he was, He was listening and doing what his father wanted him to do. So his father told him that he has to be a CEO of a very large company. And Bill wanted to fit in that, um, you know, in that, in that box.
So he did everything he could to be that CEO. And then one day he realized in his car that he didn't remember who he was. And it changed completely the way he, he, he dressed, , you know, he tried to be like others. And then he decided at that moment that he's not, you know, he's going to quit and he's going to accept to be a CEO of Medtronic, who was a smaller company, but it was what he wanted to do because it was, you know, connected with his purpose.
And this is what he did.
[00:28:30] Marco Ciappelli: So there is always that moment of revelation,
[00:28:35] Hortense Le Gentil: Always, always, always. You have the same wisdom.
[00:28:39] Marco Ciappelli: We just don't listen to ourselves.
[00:28:42] Hortense Le Gentil: Yes, we don't listen, but we don't listen because we, we are afraid or so, because this is hard when you just realize that, okay, this is not exactly what sometimes you have.
To change things and this is hard and, um, we don't like change as human being because it's risky. Uh, because, you know, habits is security and after, you know, you take your own roads and this is risky. But this is, this is what we have to do because this is our mission. And I'm a big believer, Marco, that each of us we have a special talent.
And then when you discover it, your work is to, to do it, to work on it and to go to this journey of discovery. Discover yourself, discover, you know, the environment where you can, you can grow and, and then you come back to who you are, like the hero, hero journey of Campbell.
[00:29:50] Marco Ciappelli: Exactly. Well, I think we should finish with this.
And again, that there'll be all the links to the books and to your bio and everything in the notes. Uh, very easy to find. Of course, we'll publish this on social media where they can find you as well. Um, I want to just summarize this with maybe and you tell me if I got this right, is that we always pay attention to other stories, right?
We listen to podcasts, we watch movies, uh, like I said at the beginning, a song, a painting that tells a story in one frame and a photography. But again, we, maybe as you said, we, we should realize that we are a good story. Our story it's it's a story worth to what to tell maybe we think it's not worth it But when you listen to grandpa tell you know The story grandma telling you to do something and telling you what they used to do when they were kids in a completely different world Where technology wasn't what it is now and who knows?
What our next generation are going to tell us, um, or we will tell to the next generation, you know, to pay attention to our beautiful story. So I don't know, I think we can, we can end with a very positive note here that once you, once you discover your story, you've, Again, you free yourself.
[00:31:13] Hortense Le Gentil: Yes, you free yourself and you are the author of your life.
Isn't it beautiful? You can write what you want.
[00:31:20] Marco Ciappelli: I love it. I love it. And then you can write a book about yourself or a song about yourself. Why not? Exactly. Exactly. I love it. Well, Hortense, I think this was very, very inspiring. I hope people Are reflecting on their life a little bit right now, but not in a negative way.
It's kind of like discovering what, what is that, that really spark, um, like, and make shine a thought in their mind and go for it maybe. definitely get the book and definitely, you know, make it, make it happen if you can. So thank you again for stopping by. I really enjoyed this conversation, listening to your story.
And, uh, I hope, uh, to have you again soon on the show.
[00:32:05] Hortense Le Gentil: I would love to. Thank you, Marco. It was delighted to talk with you.
[00:32:09] Marco Ciappelli: Thank you. I really enjoyed it too. Ciao everybody. Stay tuned, subscribe, and we'll talk to you soon. Ciao ciao.
[00:32:19] Hortense Le Gentil: Thank you, Marco.
[00:32:20] Marco Ciappelli: Thank you.